Transcription: I, in general, had a big crisis with just sites that were Flash-based versus sites that weren't Flash-based. Flash websites need almost to be in their own category of web design. Just after years of working with the web, just seeing these interfaces entirely in motion, they're in their own category. And you'd be curious what some really good web designers who can't use Flash or don't use Flash would do if they suddenly had those constraints lifted from them. So you have to be careful. Oh yeah, it sort of all moves up to the corner and get smaller, well, you know, like what's the informational ...
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